i am with Bruce and the Pravda article

Way to repeat what the article says. If you believe that garbage that's your choice. Mickey, Donald, and Goofy, are giving speeches on Socialism, why don't listen to them.

I don't think you actually understand what socialism is. Barack Obama is a typical neo-liberal when it comes to the economy, like his predecessors. Tim Geithner and Larry Sumners are hardly socialists.

Amen Kevin. I really wish these clowns would just get a passport and leave already if they think Obama is so bad.

Remember when Bush visited San Diego while New Orleans was underwater due to Katrina?

We won't be in this mess if it wasn't for Bush. I'm sure you realize spending was cut 32% from is first year until his last. Biggest % drop of any President ever. Man I'm sure glad you Conservatives weren't around when FDR was President he wouldn't of made it past one term.

Sorry, David - we wouldn't be in this mess if it wasn't for the democrats in congress.

The basic lack of political understanding here is scary. The "fiscal cliff" is a bipartisan agreement made in congress last summer as part of the debate on the rise of the national debt ceiling. Both parties chose this method of forced compromise at the end of the year to satisfy negotiations at the time that were stalled over how best to reduce government debt. The fiscal cliff is now doing exactly what it was designed to do- force compromise. You see both parties talking about concessions they would not normal discuss in order to avoid a "cliff" they both want to avoid.
Blaming Bush or Democrats shows an utter lack of intelligence on the most basic facts. The debt ceiling has been increased wrecklessly for decades, with both the white house and congress under stewardship of either party. Why would you be drawn to a political conversation when you obviously don't understand any of it? Sports link is at the top of the page.....

What created this fiscal cliff has been going on for decades now, under both democrats and republicans.

It is quite amazing how parallel the 04 and 12 elections have been as far as outrage

Why do democrats hate so much?

The electoral college is not an accurate reflection of the percentage of people voting for anyone since 48 out of 50 states have a winner take all not percentages which match the popular vote.

Walt, if your issue is with winner takes all, then you should be more concerned about our first past the post system than the electoral college.

Do you not have anything worth fighting for?

Please explain why you think he is a Marxist and how the country's political views have shifted to Socialism. I can not wait to hear you explanation, but odds are you won't reply.

As someone who is sympathetic to Marx and socialism, I can assure you Obama is the furthest thing from a socialist possible. His economic advisors mostly graduated from the University of Chicago, which makes them Friedmanites by and large.

Tim Lewis I'm sorry. I didn't mean to hit the inappropriate button I went to hit reply and my cat jumped up. Sorry again! Dave

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Name me a single policy Obama has pursued based on socialist values. Just one.

Get a life, Frieri or whatever your real name is.
You sound like the type who lives in your aged parents' basement and has no friends...lol

Why are democrats so hateful, intolerant, and unable to make an argument using facts?

Someone using the term "teabaggers" while complaining about "the far right ... insulting and intimidating posters" sounds pretty silly.

VJ
People who are middle class and live pay check to pay check need to take a serious look at how they spend their money.
The Affordable Care Act will make health care less expensive overall because everyone will be able to access preventive care. Currently, many who have no health insurance don't receive preventive care and end up in the ER because controllable conditions are out of control. And yes, I asked my doctor what she thinks of the ACA and she is all for it. In the US we spend far more per capita on health care than any other developed country and yet our outcomes are way down the list. Yes some people get excellent care, but most don't. And the elected officials who don't want to use this care - they already have a single payer, government healthcare system so they don't need to wade through the mess that the rest of us do. They just don't want the masses to have what they already have for life.

So I take it the fact that an overwhelming amount of congress voted in favor of the Iraq war means it was brilliant policy? After all, politicians from both parties wouldn't have endorsed said war if it wasn't in our best interests.

If you're concerned with the deficit, you want the tax cuts to expire. Government has two sources, deficit spending, and taxation. You don't get one without the other.

Holy crap, where do you live? It sounds terrible... and that's coming from a guy who lives in Philly ;)

Section 8 isn't to the benefit of those who are poor. It's a benefit to landlords, who get money from the government just for having tenants who qualify.

Beyond that, entitlement programs make up a very, very small amount of our spending. What are your feelings on the military, which makes up at least a quarter of our spending?

Anywho, you come across as a bitter piece of white trash who would rather whine about minorities then look in the mirror and realized you failed. It's not black folks fault you're barely scraping by with just two jobs; it's your fault for being an abject failure.

Kevin, he's making all of that up.

Sergei, you must be a product of our public schools. Not one thing you have said here is correct. And this post is the worst yet. Why are you racist? Nowhere did Michael say anything about a particular race - why did you assume he was talking about black people? And entitlements make up the largest portion of the federal budget - what world do you live in?

Tim, thanks for defending me to Sergei. Not once did I mention my race nor anyone else's in my post, yet Sergei made a vast over generalization. That says something more about Sergei actually being a racist. Oh, by the way, my section 8 neighbor is white from two white parents (I know them), her babies are from different fathers, so I could not tell you what their ethnic background and big shock- I am African American. And yes, there are African Americans in Norristown who do not support entitlement programs when they clearly are full of fraud; like Section 8 is. As for where I live let's just say it is in Norristown district 3 where there has been a long history of crime. I won't say anymore because I don't want some crack pot tracking me down or worse my neighbor's boyfriend reading patch and deciding that gun of his needs the bullets emptied. Norristown is dangerous, some neighborhoods more dangerous than others...

Tim, if you don't recognize how section 8 is a great benefit and easy money for landlords, perhaps you may want to look into going back to school. If you'd like to contest any of the other claims I've made in this discussion, I'd be more than willing to put you out to pasture. Your responses demonstrate a clear lack of nuance in...everything, really.
What's racist about the phrase "white trash"? Are you so whiny and sensitive that you interpret such a phrase as racist? If you can't see the obvious dog whistles sounded by Michael, again, your own ignorance is to blame. Did you even make it to high school?
Entitlements make up the largest portion of the federal budget? Well, again, perhaps this is your own lack of education speaking, but military spending makes up over half of the discretionary spending budget, and increased about 9% over the past decade. By comparison,s social security and medicare aren't even on the discretionary spending agend, because unlike the military, they are self funded. That's more than other government programs, and that's not even taking into consideration how much we spend in contrast to other states.
If you'd bother to read something a little more enlightening than the Daily News you'd be aware of these uncontroversial facts. I recommend the London Financial Times for starting off.

Well, in case we needed more proof Michael is lying about everything on here, now he's pretending to be a black man to rationalize his nonsense-the classic white man on the internet response when you get caught making obvious racist overtones.

Most real conservatives would agree with you. The problem you have is that Obama supported, and in fact increased these subsidies and more for campaign donors.

Big business supports both Dems and Republicans, only slightly more the Republicans. The public big businesses do it very quietly. All you hear about are private companies and very wealthy individuals making donations in the news. All industries have lobbying groups and give heavily to both sides.

Being a lower income neighborhood, Norristown has always had it's share of utter white trash, who come from long lines of abject failures, and who have been conditioned to blame minorities for their problems for generations. That's why so many people on this forum hate Barack Obama; they're angry at themselves for being too stupid to graduate from Montco, let alone Harvard, and would rather whine about black people than look in the mirror and recognize their own failures.

He is no longer admired by a majority of the world. What has he ever done to show he cares? He has not done one thing in four years to earn my respect.

"He is admired by 80% of countries in the world."

So??? Too funny ...

Hey Sergei, you are really missing a few screws. You are now attacking the educational level of anyone that has a differing opinion from you. Way to go. If you are African America please keep it to yourself. I don't want anyone to know you and I are representatives of the same race. Also I find it interesting how you lump minority and black people together. There are plenty of other minorities out there...

Hey Tim, name me the states that Obama is 'no longer admired in'. While I certainly agree Obama's stance in the world is not what it was in 2008, I enjoy watching you make a fool of yourself.

Hey Michael, stop pretending to be black on the internet. It's not fooling anyone.

Hey Sergei, do you even live in Norristown? If you don't then shut up about section 8 because you are not suffering from the longstanding policy of Montgomery County dumping the vast majority of social services in Norristown. That also includes HUD refusing to look at another system for redistributing the housing vouchers more evenly through Montgomery County. Even Mr. Millner is pushing for HUD to take a look at that issue, a major part of his First Suburbs Project. In fact, if you do live in Norristown I suggest you ask every single council member (White and Black) how they feel about the concentration of section 8 in Norristown. And don't tell me that only landlords benefit. The housing voucher holder does as well. And I don't care how little HUD dollars are in the over all budget, it is clearly one of many programs that have a lot of abuses and needs to be cleaned up. I have to pay taxes anyway, why can't I fight for changing something that effects me everyday when I walk out my door. As for I'm not African American... I guess you just can't believe that there are African Americans out there that are articulate and have concerns with some of the Federal Social Service programs. I will not be responding again to any of your race bating rants.

He is president, however, eighty percent of the world sees him as an American. In other words a two faced terrorist bent on control, out of touch with our Constitution, doing his best to line the pockets of special interest, destroying the fabric of our once great republic, while promoting puppet democracy's abroad.

Yes, Michael, I'm a resident of Norristown, and live not too far from where my ancestors first immigrated to Norristown almost 100 years ago. I can guarantee my family has been here longer than yours.
I'm well aware of how lower income issues, such as section 8, get dumped on Norristown by the rest of the county. Heck, I'm well aware of how townships like Whitpain and Plymouth drop their homeless citizens off in our neighborhood. What I'm not following is how this demonstrates an issue with section 8 program, or its recepients; seems to me like this demonstrates an issue with where section 8 being dumped on the poorest town in the county, and also an issue with the county leadership and their priorities for Norristown. If you want to get angry at someone for the volume of section 8 in Norristown, when compared to other townships, it seems like the county leadership would be the proper folk to get ticked off at.
I didn't say that only landlords benefit. I said that landlords benefit far more than the recipients do, because they get automatic money from the government. Even a landlord from an upscale apartment complex in King Of Prussia can't get that kind of guarantee from their wealthy residents, as landlords for section 8 housing get from the government.

You're more than welcome to 'fight' about your tax dollars. I'm involved in such a fight too, although I personally would rather my tax dollars go to fund section 8 housing for poor people, then funding Israel's military or murdering Pashtuns in Afghanistan.
Your political views have no bearing on why I think you're an angry old white man pretending to be black. I'm well aware of plenty of black conservatives. The reason I highly suspect that you are a white man pretending to be black is the fact that you felt the need to point this out the second you got called out for sounding racist dog whistles. Usually someone insisting they are black over the internet is an indication that they're a lying white man. Your politics have nothing to do with it.

Why do democrats have so much hate?

Just about every member of Obama's economic team graduated from the University of Chicago. The university of Chicago is the preeminent capitalist economic school in the modern era, and has been since the death of Keynesian economics in the 70's. Google Milton Friedman and ask yourself if that guy is a socialist. Then google Tim Geithner and Larry Sumners, and ask yourself if they are socialists. If no, then neither is Obama or his economic team, many of whom are graduates from the University Of Chicago.

Do you people forget that it was Clinton, a democrat, who successfully destroyed welfare better than any republican candidate, and almost privatized social security?