You make absolutely NO point. None.

Really- Let me explain it to you.. half the country is on the dole.. they are takers.. why would they vote for anyone else, when they are getting a free ride? We already have loose economic policy (ie. QE3, etc.) so what is the next step?

Or.... Who is John Galt?

While De Tocqueville has written a lot of good material. I don't see the point of posting random quotes of his...

So which are you advocating, dictatorship or monarchy?

Tax Playa (not clever) -- You make my case. Half the country is not "on the dole." Poor people aren't "takers". 47% are not getting a "free ride." Your philosophy rests on a series of falsehoods. Proven over and over again, yet you still puke up the same tired right wing rhetoric.

How come whenever people talk about raising taxes on the rich, it is class warfare, but when someone blatantly says that the lower class is full of self professed victims who are only interested in taking from the government people are fully willing to claim that the statement is justified?

If it was truth, it might - but, as I'm sure I don't need to reiterate there, it's been handily (and obviously, I would think) debunked from pretty much every corner and from every angle.

He who robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.

Romney by saying things like that is writing off a lot of people who voted for him http://i.imgur.com/fut68.png
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/where-are-the-47-of-americans-who-pay-no-income-taxes/262499/

Comments here prove Romney's point: that many are trapped in victim-hood, and people who don't pay federal tax aren't excited by a low-tax platform. Despite Romney paying more federal tax than most commentators' annual salary, you cry it's not enough. He is 100% correct in assuming you will always vote Democrat.

John Galt is the two (one, actually) dimensional fictional mouthpiece for a heartless economic and social "philosophy" appearing in a poorly written and entirely humorless piece of tripe known as Atlas Shrugged, which is the bible of all those whose life premise is "i've got mine, you can die for all i care." it is of course Paul Ryan's favorite book... Saint Francis would not approve, methinks...

Senior Citizens, war veterans that put their lives on the line for you, those who are physically or mentally challenged? How about George Romney and his wife who fell on difficult times an were on welfare?

Two thirds of American's that Mitt attacked and insulted are hard working Americans that Pay Payroll Taxes. - Forty percent of those Americans attacked and insulted are our Senior Citizens, Veterans, and those with physical and mental challenges. - Families of five that earn only $50,000.00 per year were also insulted and attacked.

Too bad that Mitt is so far removed from his own families history that he has no sense of the challenges that the American people face on a regular basis. And the humiliation that Americans feel when they find themselves in a place that they must ask for help.

He and all his defenders should be ashamed of their serious lack of understanding of the American people many of whom are Republican voters.

The Obama You Don't Know

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama

Don't do it, Mitt! the jackals just want to dance around at point at how successful you have been in Business and Economic Management, a few areas where President Obama has no skill or Leadership ability whatsoever!

Maybe they should look again at the Obama's tax returns that show about $2000 in charitable donations per year, despite their lucrative salaries, until Barack started campaigning for higher office!

The Romneys on the other hand, donated over $7 million to charity in just the last two years!

So why do the Obamas not care about the less fortunate unless they are politically valuable???

Shorty, given that Mitt refuses to disclose tax returns, you are a mitt short on facts. Is there life on your planet?

You guys who want to see 10 years of tax returns are worse than the Birthers! Do you really think Romney successfully ran for Governor of one (if not the) most Democratic states in the USA and then held office without zero scandals regarding his income or taxes. Don't you think the Dem's turned over every rock possible? Haven't they in this campaign? And if there were issues with his tax returns, more than 1 employee of the IRS would have already leaked it to the press. Like I said, you guys are worse than the birthers.

Don't worry, the longer Mitt Romney goes on and on..., the less America likes him and the lower his poll numbers go. He is done and just waiting for someone to stick a fork in him.
(Fun to watch the Republicans here and in the country squirm through)

And I would like to see Obama's college transcripts.

I understood what the quote meant, but I wanted to poster to state the series of rightwing circulated falsehoods that he was in fact endorsing by saying it.

There is no promise of "more and more", the promise is we are going to try and stop "less and less." The wealth in this country has flowed to the top 1% at an astounding rate. Mitt resides in the top 1%.

@Nick Answer this with a straight face. If debt is unpatriotic and irresponsible, why has Obama borrowed more and more while spending went up from $2.8 T in 08 to $3.8 T in 2012?

If the debt was unpatriotic and irresponsible for Candidate Obama in 2008, what is it for President Obama? Strenuously unpatriotic and irresponsible?

@Shane. With the exception of Dick Cheney, I have never heard anyone say debit is not bad. How much of the current spending is Bush policy vs. Obama policy? Who irresponsibly slashed taxes - mostly for the wealthy? Bush (Republicans). So I ask what is your point?

@nick nice talking points. Federal income taxes were there highest ever under Bush in 2007. The deficit was a function of spending MORE than the revenues. When the Democrats took control of Senate and House in 2006, what did they do to reduce the deficits? Since 08, the spending is $1 Trillion higher a year. Who spends more when they are taking in less? HINT HINT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

Do you support the $16 Trillion in debt? Do you support adding more and more interest payments??

@David- Let's look at it in absolute terms. If Mitt had an effective tax rate around 13% on $20MM in income that is still $2.6 MM in taxes? I'll make a bet that it is just a little more than you. Did the fireman come to his house faster? Did he use more govt services than you? Probably not. But he still paid a boat load more $ to the Govt than you, right? Also- Loose economic policy causes inflation which PUNISHES everyone but debtors..

Mitt Romney has done absolutely nothing illegal in protecting the assets he accumulated as he demonstrated his Economic Leadership and Business Acumen. If he had, it would have been leaked by the Obama Administration faster than the details of a Special Ops mission!

Which brings us to the question, what exactly has President Obama shown in the way of Leadership in the Economy???

@Mike....Thumbs up on your post!

Ya'll can go back and forth ad nauseum about economics, who gives more money to charity, who is lazy, who doesn't care about the national debt, who has their hand out, who knows more yadda, yadda, yadda. The point is that Mitt Romney's statement (insulting text below) is wrong! It's also rude and short-sighted.

"...there are 47 percent who are with him (Obama), who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them ..."

Romney lives in a billionaire bubble and can't know how real people live. The people who will vote for Obama have worked all of their lives and paid taxes, fought in wars, volunteered to help others and give money to charity. If Romney had any vision, integrity or compassion he would be able to see that.

WHAT?!!!!?? Local municipalities raise taxes due to schemers???? You are one clueless bloke. Since are you so on top of stats why don't you explain the trillion dollar budget deficit to us.

@ David- The reason your property taxes are so high in NJ is because NJ hands out $8BN in state aid and 75% of it goes to 30 districts (Abbott Districts like Camden, Trenton, Newark, Jersey City, and Pemberton) The other 510 districts get jack squat and have to tax the hell out of the townspeople to pay for the inefficiencies in these inner cities. It is total redistribution of wealth- Socialism...

If the sheeple in NJ suburbs (other 510 districts) woke up and voted the clowns out of office, we could turn this around and run it more efficiently.

For my fans who love quotes...
"There is no means of avoiding a final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as the final and total catastrophe of the currency involved." - Von Mises

Google Wiemar Republic to see what happened in Germany 1921

Which is not at all what was said - nobody is arguing that in 2009 (a carefully cherry-picked nadir) 47% of people didn't pay annual income taxes. Romney's assertion, however, was that 47% of people are entitled victims dependent on government services who will vote for Obama no matter what he does. That's, in many ways, totally inaccurate.

@amend. Dividend income has already been taxed by the company paying it and then again by the person receiving it. That's 2 bites of the same apple.

It's called protecting your assets from a Government that would rather take them away and GIVE THEM to people who contribute nothing and expect EVERYONE else to make their lives comfortable.

@David....you really are exposing your very poor understanding of the tax code of the USA. Just because someone has money in a Swiss account or in the Caymans doesn't mean that money wasn't "afer-tax" when it was moved there (which is the way Romney's was). There's nothing wrong with having money in foreign countries, as long as the taxes legally owed to the USA are paid....and most of those taxes are determined via tax treaties between the 2 countries involved.

Now u r calling George W unpatriotic--what a shame.

According to Obama he was and so also according to Obama so is he. When is the press conference where he does this? Of course, I am an independent voter and we voted for BO last time. Bad move. Fool us once.....

Not getting your point there Shane, please rephrase. I use a smart phone also, so nothing personal implied; eventhough u called me stupid earlier.

If Obama said Bush debt was unpatriotic and Obama added more debt than Bush, then Obama is Unpatriotic too. When will he be addressing us and either saying he was wrong to attack Bush or admit he too is unpatriotic and irresponsible. He can't have it both ways

In the video Odumbo claims that Bush 43 added $4 trillion of debt (which was more than all previous Presidents combined) and had raised the total debt to 9 trillion. Fast forward to today and the debt is $16 trillion, so that means Odumbo has nearly doubled the debt 9 $9 to $16 trillion) and almost increased the debt by as much as all of the Presidents before him....in just 4 years. Of course Oblamer will make it someone else's fault.

Charlie, your numbers are incorrect. Under Busch the debt went from 5.7T to 10.6T, a 4.9 trillion increase. Under Obama it has gone up about the same to 15.5T. Some would also say that Clinton left Busch with a surplus.

@Will Smith Who is Busch?

@Will....I was quoting Odumbo in the video. If Odumbo has the numbers wrong, well I guess his name fits....Odumbo. Watch the video.

Do they have Swiss accts and invest in the Caymans? Why exactly do people do this, do they get better rates or are they hiding something? I think their hiding something.

David I expected more from you after your earlier attack. Is Kerry better than Romeny?

http://bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view/20100723senator_skipper_skips_town_on_sails_tax

Only Obama has been in office for 4 years and has failed miserably. We gave him a shot. He failed. Time to hope for change again

@Shane. I ahte to bust your bubble but senator John Kerry is not a presidential candidate. There are only two folks that are candidates for president: Romney and Obama and Obama is also the president.

@Ric...Are you serious? Kerry was a candidate for POTUS only a few years ago.

@Amend. Are you serious? Wages are paid by the company before they are deducted as an expense from profits. Governments pay wages but no taxes. If you own Apple and it pays you a dividend, you would pay 15% tax on the amount.

@Rober D. Gee, give me a break and stop your bawling. Man up. Patch writes articles that are favorable or unfavorable to either candidate. This story is world-wide.

@Robert D Yes his comments were on the money! He has energized the conservative base. He spoke the truth no matter how you look at it. Only to the media, was it a gaffe.

Many of the 47% are people who take in muti-millions income but somehow pay no taxes. I think Mitt is sometimes the kind of person who pays no taxes - why won't he release his tax returns?

Before Obama was President, he campaigned for increasing the tax burden on couples making over $450K. He later lowered that number to $350K, then to $250K. If Obama gets his way during a second term, and taxes are raised on couples making over $250K, do you really think he'll stop there? Bear in mind that Obama father (from "Dreams of My Father") believed that it would be appropriate to tax 100% of an individual's income, so long as that individual received government services in return. As we've begun to see in Obama's redistributionist world, the apple does not fall far from the tree. If you earn $40K or $50K -- or even less -- do not delude yourself into believing that you will not see your tax burden go up under a second-term Obama. How else will he pay for all those 'wonderful' new government programs?

@JackS it doesn't matter because we have a TRILLION DOLLAR ANNUAL BUDGET DEFICIT. More tax revenues only stifles growth, adds to unemployment and doesn't LOWER SPENDING. Read Obama's budget. The spending addiction is right there. Why doesn't the media want to discuss this? It's his document!
Please someone, anyone explain how this spending budget makes any sense when it requires another $10 trillion of debt?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/tables.pdf

@Jack S. Gee, give me a break and stop your bawling. Man up. Patch writes articles that are favorable or unfavorable to either candidate. This story is world-wide.

National stories on Patch are invariably pro-Obama or pro-Democrat. Occasionally Patch throws in a story that is marginally critical of a Democrat -- presumably to create the pretext of being evenhanded. Some individual Patch reporters may be objective and evenhanded, but Patch's selection of national stories veers strongly towards MSNBC and the HuffPost. The only reason I continue to read Patch is for the local coverage (since the Inquirier and Courier Post are dominated by the Norcrosses and other leftos), but even I have to stay away from Patch for days at a time when paper starts its cheerleading and electioneering for Obama. My stomach can only take so much.

Hi Jack,

The liberal media likes to hide the corruption and mistakes by the unpatriotic left.

Ric is a school teacher from Newark and demands more money.

@Barney. Are you stalking me? Why do you keep asking where I live and work? You are so creepy.

Shane you are a blind idiot

Gee thanks for such enlightenment. Obama has added $7 trillion in debt, 23 million are unemployed and he has failed miserably and I am the blind one. Oh OK!

@Shane. That exploding debt was created by a far right wing republican named Dubya who waged wars in two countries which we lost. Add the history from 2002 forward to that chart.
Only an idiot would want a clone of Dubya in the white house. If Romney wins, will you volunteer and join the army so we can invade Iran?

@Ric you are so uneducated its scary if you are really a teacher. In 2008 spending was $2.8 Trillion and today it is $3.6T. What does Bush or any wars have to do with that annual spending increase? In 2009, OBAMA, REID and PELOSI ran things.

Here's the link to Obama's budget. Highlight for everyone where the wars make up the bulk of the deficit spending. Looks to me like Medicare and Medicare equal $820 B of spending and Medicare revenues is only $203 Billion. That leaves $617 billion to be borrowed. Social security spending is 773B with only 635B of revenues.

Here's your big chance for all to see. On page 6, table S-4 explain how we can spend more on these entitlements than the revenue they generate? Look a little lower and see DEFICIT. You will notice that when spending exceeds revenue, you have a deficit. This is Obama's BABY. In 2009 he said the debt was unpatriotic at $9T NOW its $16T WOW $7 T MORE IN DEBT and the best you can do is say ah, duh its because of the wars.

Next 10 years medicare and Medicaid spending will equal $4.8T and revenues only $1.2 trillion. Its right there in black and white.
See, if spending just remained at 2008 levels, the deficit wouldn't have grown so much. Is OBAMA spending MORE or LESS on the wars?

Here's your documents. Show us where the wars are the problem.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/tables.pdf

Ric is a teacher from Newark and is really unhappy with Christie.

Don't argue with a teacher in NJ, they will walk out at the kid's expense.

Give them their money.

@Shane....don't forget Obama's promise after 1 month as POTUS....to cut the deficit in half by the end of his 1st term....guess he didn't do too well in Math or Finance classes (we don't know since his college grades are sealed).

Everyone should watch this 1.5 minute video and count the number of promises made by Obama, promises that he 100% failed on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaQUU2ZL6D8

Thank god Mitt will lose

Four more years of ZERO economic Leadership. We will be end up like Spain, Greece, and half the European Union as a result!

@Kate....Watch this 1.5 minute video and let us know how many promises Obama made and kept. By the way, he had been President for 1 month when he made these promise....the campaigning was over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaQUU2ZL6D8

Dude, you are wasting your time. You and these other people (both sides) aren't changing ANYONES mind. People who hate Obama will continue to hate him no matter what he does. People who hate Republicans/Romney will continue to hate them no matter what they do. Sad but true so why not do something more constructive with your time besides sending goof ball youtube clips defending "your team".

Peace out!

Mike, so you think Mitt is a better leader?? He is a joke and an embarrassment as a serious presidential candidate. If he is the best the right has to offer, they deserve to lose.

Joe - Gas prices are not reported anymore because the old media is still the same. Gas prices have doubled under Obama. I am working on a piece which reports the headlines from 4 years ago compared to today. You'll understand after reading it, why gas prices are not the main headlines.

@Tom.....That's a great idea! Make sure to let us know where to read your report!

@b there might some of that especially since the media refuses to educate and provide the facts. there are many people who need our help and we should take care of them if we are able to and some should have a stake in the game like the Welfare jobs program. My question is if we are borrowing $1 Trillion a year and our debt was unpatriotic under Bush and has grown by more than 50% under Obama, something isn't working and Obama is unpatriotic and irresponsible to claim otherwise. We can't spend trillions we don't have and pay interest to CHINA which is more money we don't have while we have 23 million unemployed and millions more underemployed. Does more debt and interest to CHINA help Americans get work?

They weren't dum dum. It had them listed as part owners. Read if you can.

@Amend. Labor is in the Cost of Goods Sold. It is an expense on the Profit and Loss Report. The net profit is then taxed. Then the corporation declares a dividend to its investors (post tax). This dividend is then taxed again when a person receives the dividend.

The point is, wages are are not taxed twice but dividends and capital gains are. Does this clear it up?

@Amend...keep going, it is hilarious to read how stupid you are!!

From investopedia:After all is said and done, companies that have made a profit can do one of two things with the excess cash. They can (1) take the money and reinvest it to earn even more money, or (2) take the excess funds and divide them among the company's owners, the shareholders, in the form of a dividend.

If the company decides to pay out dividends, the earnings are taxed twice by the government because of the transfer of the money from the company to the shareholders. The first taxation occurs at the company's year-end when it must pay taxes on its earnings. The second taxation occurs when the shareholders receive the dividends, which come from the company's after-tax earnings. The shareholders pay taxes first as owners of a company that brings in earnings and then again as individuals, who must pay income taxes on their own personal dividend earnings.

This may not seem like a big deal to some people who don't really earn substantial amounts of dividend income, but it does bother those whose dividend earnings are larger. Consider this: you work all week and get a paycheck from which tax is deducted. After arriving home, you give your children their weekly allowances, and then an IRS representative shows up at your front door to take a portion of the money you give to your kids. You would complain since you already paid taxes on the money you earned, but in the context of dividend payouts double taxation of earnings is legal.

@Amend....I love reading your comments, I have tears in my eyes from laughing so hard at your dumbness.

When was the last time (or first time for that matter) that President Obama displayed a single iota of Economic understanding, Creativity (that didn't end in a Solyndra boondoggle), or Leadership.

He's Jimmy Carter without the cardigan.

His leadership in helping the automotive industry during the credit crisis that started under the Bush administration would be a logical response to your question,

@Mohandus...Seriously dude? Your comments can be ripped to shreds, starting with Romney being born a millionaire....Romney made his 1st million on his own. He donated 100% of his inheritance from his father to charity....did you do that?? He donates a higher percentage of his income to charity than most Americans. Do you do that?

Wow, Dave ... You're right! How could I forget THE ONLY ACTION President Obama has taken to rectify the Economic crisis. That is, if you forget that his only other response has bee to blame GWB!

Yeah ... That's some "leader"! All that's missing is a fireplace, a rocking chair, a cardigan sweater, and Jimmy Carter!

Mike... are you forgetting over 230 filibusters (historic high of epic proportions) by the GOP to halt any type of policy plan? That is the reason nothing has gotten done... Everything proposed is shot down due to polarized non-partisan politics. HArd to get something done when the GOP party leaders make treasonous statements saying they will do anything they can to make the president fail? How is that in this countries best interest? If there is dividing talk in politics that is the start of it.

And you, Ego, are forgetting that not everything a President does to affect an Economy requires Congressional approval!

But you do have the "It's not OUR fault!" talking point down pat!

Because people with intelligence vote for a community organizer with no experience to add $7 Trillion in debt, have 23 million unemployed and spend trillions more we don't have is a GOOD SOLUTION????????????? Wow. How did we miss that the first time with our hopey changey stupidity?

That is, unless you would like to see the Economy have a chance of climbing out of the crapper.

I am with you Kate, I do not see how anybody can possibly trust this guy. He is not Presidential material. The Republicans should be ashamed of themselves for nominating him. Is he the best the party has to offer, Really? The video is just one more example of his duplicitous nature.

When it comes to the Economy, President Obama couldn't lead this country out of a wet paper bag!

That anyone would consider re-electing him with the Economy still in the tank after four years and federal deficits growing and growing and growing due to poor economic performance is just amazing.

Sorry Mike I cannot vote for a person I do not trust. Mitt is patentedly untrustworthy. Look at his past positions on issues and compare them to now. He really is an EtchySketch kind of guy. What is your explanation for this trait? My opinion is that he will say anything to get elected. The idea he calls himself anything other than a career politician is jus t a joke.

Why don't you guys watch this 1.5 minute video of Prsident Obama and count the number of promises that he did not keep (lies):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaQUU2ZL6D8

Dave ... President Obama's only legacy thus far are the promises of Hope & Change he made "just to get elected".

How's that working out for that 8%-plus unemployment???

Tommy boy doesn't pay income tax and doesn't know the difference between income tax and payroll tax. Education goes a long way.

23 million unemployed currently pay no income tax !!!
Where are the JOBS Obama promised?
Where are the TRILLIONS in deficit spending going if no jobs are being created?
Who SUPPORTS TRILLION dollar budget deficits???
Good work!
FAILURE!!!

On yea Tom play the media. That sounds like a wonderful approach. How this for a strategy, how about nominating a candidate the people can trust. And it would be nice if their personality was more animated than a cigar store Indian.

Yes, 'math and figures' that show he's completely wrong about who the 47% demographic is and how they pay their taxes, all while giving a great example of how conservative pundits don't understand even the basics of economics outside of their own wallets.

This all bridges nicely to the larger fallacy that's put forth by wealthy (and those that wish they were) Conservatives for decades - for all the crying about federal housing and food stamps, who actually gets the money from them? It's not the poor person who lives another month on the cheapest food and in the worst housing - that money HAS to be spent to continue living indoors. The actual financial beneficiaries are the grocery store owners, their distributors, and the corporate agricultural industry that supply them, as well as the Section 8 landlords they pay rent to. The largest redeemers of food stamp money in the US? The extremely Conservative Wal-Mart company, followed by the extremely Conservative Kroger grocery store chain.

did you pay to join this site? they have to pay the employees and the service bills somehow. Why doesnt the republican party buy ad space?

@Amend...you really are stupid, aren't you. dividends do not come from "pre-tax profit".

Well Shane, assume for a second you are King of the World. What rate should Mitt pay? Explain to me again how it is fair for guy like Mitt to pay a less effective tax rate than a plumber or a teacher. Explain how their last dollar of income is taxed more than Mitts. I heard Mutts rate was around 14%, sounds pretty good to me; should it be lower?

@David. How does he pay less than a teacher or plumber when he pays millions on his investment income. I know you need to make up stories to support your failure in the White House but stop it. If 47% pay no taxes, how many of them does he pay more than? Should we all pay more in capital gains and dividend income taxes will that make you feel better and then what when the debt still grows? What's your answer to the $25 trillion of debt? I guess while you focus on Mitt's tax rate under the law, the debt rose by another 50 billion. Good job my friend.

Great idea, but, the R's would never allow it out of committee in the House, and would filibuster it in the Senate. Being going on for years now. Oh yes, and another thing blame Obama for everything, including the economy which was essentially blown up by the prior Republican administration. The Rs want us to forget history and experience; sorry, no can do.

Blame blame blame just like Obama. It's NOT ME!! What did Pelosi, Reid and Senator OBAMA do from 2006 to now to cut spending or lower the debt? Spending is $1 trillion higher a year now than 2008. That's on OBAMA!! He is a failure!!

Did you even look at the budget.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/tables.pdf

Medicare and Medicaid spending will equal $4.8 TRILLION with only $1.2 Trillion of revenues!!! To pay for it, we WILL BORROW MONEY FROM CHINA!!

Working Mom, do you trust Romney given his past history of changing positions and being secretive to a fault. I don't. And I am also extremely skeptical about the motives of people who donate million and millions to his campaign. He is not the answer.

@Mom....Thumbs up for a very unemotional fact-based post!

Sorry, Mom ... But if your children grow up to be successful under a Democrat government, they will be pilloried as being uncaring, selfish, and disconnected from all the "disadvantaged", non-working types who would rather have the Government tax your children's Success so it can be redistributed to those who won't bother even trying.

As a Mother, you should probably reconsider motivating them to be successful, especially if they ever want to run for President or - God forbid - try to protect what they earn LEGALLY by seeking to reduce their tax burden.

Just look at how the Democrats try to portray a successful, self-made man like Mitt Romney!

Depression Averted
Gaining Jobs instead of losing them
More US energy production now than ever before
Health Insurance for virtually everyone... I no longer have to pay for those getting health benefits without having insurance. I had cancer 5 years ago... I can now get health insurance coverage...
meanwhile dealing with an obstructionist GOP party whose leaders openly said they would do anything they can to make this president fail.
Also included an all time high of over 230 filibusters in less than 4 years.

You really think going back to the BUSH policies things are going to get better? You really think that lowering taxes for those making over $250,000 and ending tax shelters for the middle class is the right way to fix things?

"We can't help how bad the Economy is; it's the Republicans/George Bush/Middle East/Chinese/Iranians/European Union's fault!"

Please ...

Well said. As Obama would say: "Let me be clear." Remember the one speech on Libya when he said that 10 times?

My new page is coming soon... we'll show everyone how "clear" things are. Still too early.

@Tom.....let us know in advance how to find your report. I'm looking forward to reading it!!

Except he's simply, actually, factually, not correct - as has been explained repeatedly and in great detail across the news:
http://factcheck.org/2012/09/dependency-and-romneys-47-percenters/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18/fact-check-mitt-romney-47-percent_n_1893537.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57515033-503544/fact-checking-romneys-47-percent-comment/

The debt is unpatriotic. It's irresponsible.

Obama has added $7 Trillion in debt.

Despite that, we still have no jobs and a record number of people on food stamps.

Obama's plan for the future. More DEBT. More INTEREST PAYMENTS to China.

Remember debt is unpatriotic. It's irresponsible to borrow money from China and put it on the backs of our children. That is what Obama said.

Pretty freakin' funny considering how much help and free money that's being thrown their way year after year after year. When does the Cycle of Dependency stop?

Im "so outraged" that people are complete idiots. We live in a country of fat, lazy people who are just looking for the next handout, and the next person to blame for their short comings. To think what Mitt said means that he doesnt care about half of Americans is absolutely retarded. He is not concerned about trying to get their vote because he knows he cant get it. It may seem harsh, but its true. Im guessing no matter who the candidate was, you wouldnt vote for them?

Lets say Barak has only had two years to clean things up. What has gotten better, even in the last two years? Unemployment still through the roof, gas prices at an all time high, spending out of control. Most of your beligerent statement makes no sense so it is hard to even reply to most of it. "Most" people who pay no income tax are NOT senior citizens, or disabled vets. Thats ridiculous!! "Unrestricted spending"....so, your saying the spending has gone down since he took office then right? Before you go and get "outraged" some more, please educate yourself on the facts. I dont care who people vote for as long as they make a well informed decision. I think people should have to take a test before they are allowed to vote, and by your talking points rant...Im not so sure you would pass.

@Russ....Thumbs up for a level headed post!!

That's a very intelligent argument. (sarc)
-I agree with Russ that people should take a test before they vote. In fact let's go back to the original constitution where landowners only can vote. Here is a new version. If you don't pay federal taxes, you cannot vote in a federal election.

Mitt should double down on what he said. Before long we will have over 50% of the people in this country on government support. Who do you think they are going to vote for?. If Obama gets his way, we are heading for disaster.

What people need are jobs , not handouts..... Obama cannot bring them. He is a community activist and has no clue. He wants socialism and is making it happen.

@Playa what a stupid name dope.....watch this 1.5 minute video of President Obama and tell me who the phony is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaQUU2ZL6D8

We do have a work rule in place. Please learn the facts.

Yeah, and that Welfare to Work policy is still in effect, only now states, with Federal approval, can create temporary test programs to try to better suit the program to their state's needs and population. You know, actual state's rights?

@Bill....try again dude. Payroll taxes are deducted from your paycheck by your employer for every $ you earn and the % increases as your income increases....there is no ceiling. What you could be talking about is Social Security, which has a ceiling. Try again.

@Shane, We will just keep spending and spending and borrowing, untill one day ,, noone will buy our bonds.... or the FED will have to buy them all.. then... Currency collapse... Look up Weimar Republic in 1921.

@Candy. Wow. You almost have me in tears. Poor Mitt!!!!!!!!!! How dare someone expose him as the creep he really is. That is so nasty. I mean, it is not like he is running for president or something important. Honestly, this tape shows how unfit he is to run. But I am not surprised. His moronic Mormon faith banned blacks from even attending their services until rather recently. And single adult women are still not allowed to attended services. Mitt showed the true colors of the FANATICAL RELIGIOUS RIGHT WING republicans.
Thanks for the laugh. You are really comedic. LOL!!!!!!!!!!

@Ric where have you been hiding? How do you feel about Cinnaminson getting almost 25% of its school budget paid for by the state? Isn't this redistribution? Does Haddonfield get 25%? How do you feel about $1 trillion interest payments on $25 trillion national debt?

Ric...banned blacks until recently...how recently? I dont know what that has to do with the price of beans in Africa though. Bottom line is, it was illegal. Should there be an exception because it plays to your extreme left wing liberal agenda?

@Candy. Please get your facts right. Jimmy Carter's grandson did not leak the tape despite your claim. The grandson only encouraged the owner of the tape to release it.

@Russ. 1978

Ric...not surprisingly, your facts are wrong. I know all you want to do is try and tear anyone down who opposes your views, but lets get it right. Blacks were ALWAYS allowed in the mormon church.....always. They werent allowed to be ordained into the priesthood until 1978. While it may have still been a form of racism, there is a big difference.

So, you're upset because the fundraiser attendees are, it seems, victims of being taped without permissions? The cognitive dissonance!

It's just the way cowardly Democrats campaign, Candy.

@Death you make a point about being blinded so I thought I would summarize some of Obama's promises and failures OK.

O said the debt is unpatriotic and irresponsible. FACT he added $7 Ttrillion to it. Fail
O said he would cut the debt in half. FACT he grew the debt. Fail
O said he would create jobs. FACT 23 million unemployed. Fail
O said he would reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Fact $4 gas. Fail
O said Muslims would respect us. Fact. They are killing our people. Fail

Today the budget deficit is in its 4th straight year of $1 trillion dollar deficits. In his budget he projects 10 more years of deficits. Interest payments will rise 400% to $1 trillion to CHINA

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/tables.pdf

The blind leading the blind into the abyss

Shane-
1. The debt is mainly due to 2 wars unfunded with interest rates increased because of the GOP playing games with the ceiling which was a debate about paying debt already incurred and not spending more. Other expenditures were to prevent a complete depression. This spending was successful in stopping that depression from happening.
2. I will give you that point BUT Congress controls spending and not the president. Do you not think doing anything to make this president fail is a bit treasonous? and divisional or is that supporting your country?
3. Jobs... We were losing over 750,000 jobs a month at the end of bush's term because of the failed policies. That hemorrhage has stopped. We are now gaining jobs each month instead of losing them. To me that is positive news and proves that the policies in place are working
4. There is more drilling / domestic energy production now than any other time in US history. Fact.... Exxon / Mobil and the oil companies own the oil... not the gov't. That oil produced and pulled from the US territory gets sold on the open WORLD market so therefore increased drilling in the US does not reduce our reliance on foreign oil... it just means our own resources will be depleted faster.
5. The world respects us 100X more now than after Bush invaded Iraq under false pretenses. There is a difference between muslim militant extremist and peaceful muslims.

Shane, you have a strange way of defining 'facts' - perhaps you are unfamiliar with the concept of 'false equivalency'?

@Death....watch this 1.5 minute video of Obama (taken 30 days after he was inaugurated) and tell us how many promises in this short video he has kept. Every American should be alienated by this short clip of Obama, every American! Why? Because as our President he lied to all of us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaQUU2ZL6D8

@ Charlie... Watch this clip- Intro of last nights Daily Show...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/tue-september-18-2012-salman-rushdie

I give john steward more credibility than any other news source as he does phenomenal research and attacks both sides of the political spectrum... I bet if you do your research and do a lie count on the GOP vs Obama you will find that the Count of the GOP lies is significantly higher...

We all want Mitt because there is absolutely ZERO Economic Leadership emanating from this President. Every response to the question, why is the Economy still in the crapper after four years of President Obama's "leadership"?, is "George Bush"!

8.5% unemployment ... deficit over $15 TRILLION now ... When we need jobs and economic stimulation, we get TWO YEARS spent on the Democrat's pet healthcare project that 70% of the country doesn't want!

Check and see how much "leadership" the President has with his own Congressional delegation! Nancy and Harry tell Obama to sit down and shut up, they have the reins.

Yeah ... That what I want to see in the President! </sarcasm>

Mike.... Along with Bush... most dems also blame the obstuctionist GOP policies and the record high filibusters by the GOP preventing ANYTHING to get done, then they convince people like you that the president hasn't done anything when they are the ones stopping the improvement just so they can get back in the white house... Make Sense? Whats really funny is the 10 biggest welfare receiving states are... guess what... ALL REPUBLICAN...

Four years in The White House = ZERO responsibility for anything.

Now THAT's "leadership"????

@Ego....There's a huge difference between watching a video of the POTUS himself versus a video of a comedian. You still haven't responded to the claims made by Obama in the video. Until then, no reason for me to watch another comedian.

Im guessing a democrat here.....any takers?

fa fa fooey's sister ... both cutting middle school today

Nevermind....I dont need any takers, you just proved it. Thank you.

Well Shane what is your explanation for our country going from budget surpluses during the Clinton administration to budget deficits during the Bush administration.
And by the way I am still waiting for your answer as to why people have Swiss accounts and invest in the Caymans. What exactly is their rationale for putting money in these institutions?

Hi David the budget surplus in 2001 was obliterated by 911 in case you forgot about that aftermath. It obviously took a few years to come back and the war spending obviously added to the deficits. However as the data posted shows, the largest Bush spending budget was $2.8T whereas Obama spends much more than that. All told Bush's debt which Obama made fun of many many times got us to $9 Trillion. It's $16 trillion and growing now under Obama with no end in sight and no way to balance the budget let alone pay down the debt. Kind of reminds me of all of those bad mortgages that were sold where the banks let money knowing the funds would never be paid back. Spending is higher under Obama despite the weak economy. To me, to spend more knowing you have even less is irresponsible. My household budget is lower than it was in 2008. The economy is all that matters and right now we are a bad path as the information posted from our own government shows. We should be talking about that and jobs. Maybe you can explain to me how trillion dollar deficits help create jobs.

E Warren if things started to go downhill after 9/11 then was Bush wise to cut taxes several times during this hardship- don't think so. How about starting a war under false pretenses, was this morally and fiscally wise- don't think so. Should we vote for a guy who is a neocon at heart and espouses many of Bush policies -- don't think so.

Ok we agree on a few things. The deficit and budget are not separate things. The annual budget deficit funded through more borrowing from China adds to the debt which is currently $16 Trillion so they are highly correlated. In 2008, Obama said it was unpatriotic and irresponsible to increase the debt. Did he lie?? It almost doubled under him.

Are you aware that spending in 2008 was $2.8 Trillion and today it is $3.6 Trillion. The wars have not grown since 2008 but spending has. WHY??? On what??? Only so many $1000 hammers to eliminate to eliminate a $1 Trillion a year deficit.

You claim the culprit is the wars. I asked you to show me in the federal budget past, present or future that is true.

There is the problem with the voting public. You use terms like pathological liars, and policies of the Bush administration, but have absolutely no facts to back them up. Romney and Ryan could spell out what they are going to do, have it back up by the best economists in the world, and people like you will still use the same old excuses on why they are no good. Thats the problem....you will vote democrat no matter what. It could be Adolf Hitler running and you would have a reason why they are better than the Republicans. Republicans do it too..... its really sad. Vote for the best candidate people!! Who cares about party affiliation. Who cares about the stance on social issues too. The president will never be able to do anything about gay marriage or abortion.... in either direction. They can certainly have an opinion, but they wont ever be able to do anything about it, so dont base your vote on it. The two party system we have needs to go!

Complete BS russ. Ryan even lied about the time he ran a marathon in. That is pathological. He lied for NO reason. Romney has not stood by any convictions and changes his view on all matters every time you hear him speak. I am a registered independent as I really don't conform to any party standards. I do care about social issues as I don't think gov't should have the ability to say who I can and can't marry... how many people I can marry... what I put into my body. Too many rules go against the principle of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Gov't has no business dictating womens health care. When an entire party line stance comes out against abortion even in rape cases, I could never support that party. The policies of the BUSH admin is what brought this country to its knees. It went down hill under HIS watch. The repeal of the glass steagle act had a lot to do with that and it was signed by clinton BUT pushed by the GOP congress. The deregulation, out right fraud in bundling mortgages and then re-selling them is what ultimately caused the crash and no one has been held responsible. Things have not changed but I still think if Romney and Ryan are elected things will get even worse going back and supporting those types of policies... This video pretty much ended his election hopes as he isolated and offended way too many people.

The housing collapse is absolutely what cause the recession, I agree. And who was behind that? Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac....along with the "everyone should own a home no matter how much money you dont have" policies started by Clinton. Not Bush. I didnt like Bush either and didnt vote for his re-election in 2004, but to blame the collapse on him is just inaccurate. I dont care how fast Ryan runs a marathon...or how many BJs Clinton got in office...has nothing to do with how they run the country...which is a business. We need a business man running it. The social issues will always tug at the heart strings of most of the voters but mean absolutely nothing. If you vote for a certain party based on their views on abortion, you are essentially wasting your vote. Its like not voting for someone that hates the color blue because you are worried they will outlaw the color blue. It will never happen. They dont have that kind of control, and never will. It should be (and is) a state issue. Gay marriage too. I agree the government is in wayyy too many peoples business but the current administration is doing exactly what you are so against. Deciding when you make too much money and stealing it to give to people who dont work isnt advancing the persuit of happiness. Building the economy from the ground up is a failed experiment..always has been. Give a poor person a million dollars and they will be poor again in no time ( in most cases ). It will never work.

@Russ. Rule # 1 - only a desperate person, who is losing a debate, will implement a cheap shot like Adolph Hitler or Nazis. Even a first grader knows how to try to associate their opponents with Hitler or the Nazis. They are your everyday, garden type, cheap shot materials good to use against any position – right or left. It is such a shame you felt so powerless you had to go cheap shot all the way. But that is the only tool RIGHT WING RELIGIOUS FANATICAL republicans have available to them. Russ, you win cheap shot of the day. Congratulations, Mr. Cheap shot. You Lose.

It just shows what kind of person Ryan is. If he cannot even be honest in how fast he can run a marathon why would he be honest about anything else. There is something about integrity of character which the GOP nominees have fallen far short on. I disagree with your stance on social issues and that things on that side are impossible to change. If you let power go unchecked and do not stand up for your beliefs they will change. I do not feel its a waste of a vote if you vote based on your social issue stance especially being BOTH parties are going to spend and NOT change anything. Taxes are LOWER now than EVER. This was SUPPOSED To be a TEMPORARY TAX Cut. I do not see the Obama Admin taking away any freedoms from ME or anyone else. I SEE the GOP trying to dictate several things based on RELIGIOUS values. Paying taxes should be looked on as being patriotic they should not be viewed as something to skirt around as best you can. The problem is that we have lost trust in the gov't in the WAY they spend those taxes. Reverting the tax rates to the clinton area rate on those making over $250,000 is not really a bad thing and the vast majority of Americans think the way I do...Even some of those making over $250,000 agree... IE Bill Gates... Warren Buffet etc. There is an entitlement mentality that with too many people but its not 47% of the population... Maybe 10% and the reason why... lack of education and parental up bringing... its an issue with the circle of poverty

Ric, you are litterally too stupid for words. There was clearly no comparison of the opponent to Adolf Hitler.

@Ric - Is this an example of an adult intellect ?

"His moronic Mormon faith"

Paying taxes patriotic?? Are you seriously quoting Joe Biden?? Wow...hmm... I have no problem paying my taxes, and dont agree with the loopholes that exist. But I dont think "rich" people should have to pay upwards of 50% of their income to the government. What happens to the "American dream" if we take and take and take? If I were a millionaire I would have no problem paying my "fair share" but why would anyone want to pay anything to a government full of waste and fat overpaid politicians. As far as honesty goes.....politics and honesty do not exist in the same universe. Take a look at the presidents golf card...Im sure that is full of lies. He was full of them before he got elected too with the Rev Wright and Bill Ayers crap too. They all lie, every one of them.

@Russ. You are so full of it, your eyes must be very dark brown!

The collapse of the housing market is a symptom, not the cause - we've propped our economy up on debt since the 80s when our government decided it was a good idea to let companies undercut American workers with vastly cheaper foreign labor. Eventually, paying less for common goods than what it would cost for the labor to manufacture them in the US was going to to catch up with us - it has taken decades of debt and inflation to maintain the relative standard of living here as our actual production has dropped to almost nothing. It's likely things will get worse before an economy this large can stabilize, too (the student loan bubble will burst, gas will end up around $8/gallon, etc).

Until we are willing and able to pay the cost of goods made within our own national economy, these things will continue to be problems and the job market - particularly for the poor - will continue to decline. And we're not going to be able to do that until the money that reaches the uppermost levels of the economy actually circulates back through the bottommost levels of it. Reagan's whole economy was dependent on the trickle-down effect, however that money has trickled-down into China (who having a huge boom in the middle class), not the US (where the middle class is withering).

Obama might not have fixed it, but Romney is a proponent of - and, as we saw in the leaked video, personally enabled - furthering an economy based on outsourced labor.

good one Ric

Who cares who leaked it... fact is, its out there, it shows what a pandering weak, I'll say anything to appease my immediate audience that Romney is.... He would have been much better off in the general presidential election keeping with his ideology that he had as governor of MA. Then he would be able to get some middle leaning democrats on his side. Instead he pandered to the far christen right and the tea party and went ultra conservative to win the republican election. This election is pretty much over since this video was released. Good luck recovering from it. How does it feel to back a LOSER?

Does that make you feel good to call someone you have never met and know nothing about a loser? Do you think people get offended by your responses to an article on Patch? Really? Hold your head up high buddy...nice job!

Russ- take reading comprehension 101... I did not call anyone on here a loser. My reference is to MITT ROMNEY... No I have not met him but yes it did make me feel a bit better to call him a LOSER... as his has LOST before and will LOSE again...

@Russ. Et tu Russ. Do you think people get offended by your responses to an article on Patch? Hold your head up high buddy...nice job! Saying someone would vote for Adolph Hitler. You are also a hypocrite.

i find it telling that Republicans use the word "leaked" here... in my experience, "leaked" implies there was something that should have remained hidden but was made public... i hate to think of what other hidden feelings Mitt may have, about which we'll never know...

Ric, please see previous post. Thank you.

Your comment proves his victim-hood observation. "Full control" describes Obamacare, not Romney's tax platform. And his assertion that those who pay no taxes are not interested in his tax-reduction platform is wrong? You dispute that?

Right? At the turn of the century, the Romney's perpetually fled persecution for their unorthodox religious beliefs and non-traditional marriage rights, only to return to the US with federal assistance. George Romney would go on to fight for low-income housing and worker's rights in Detroit during WW2, and worked to promote higher-fuel-efficiency cars with American Motors, and to expand federal housing initiatives under Nixon.

It's hard to believe that Mitt Romney would oppose gay marriage, condemn tolerance of Muslim beliefs, outsource labor, and oppose housing welfare (mocking it, even) - all principles his family fought for in the first half of the 20th century.

Mitt is not capable of carrying his fathers jock strap. His father would face a primary challenge in today's GOP. Believe it or not there have been great Repunlicsns throughout history, just not anymore. The whole party has been captured by a lunatic fringe that Nixon, Eisenhower and Teddy Roosevelt would be ashamed of. Thank You Fox News , for really elevatIng the political discourse in this country.

Yeah .. and look what they did with it!

I'll take someone who used a hand up to make themselves better any day over a guy whose only claim to fame is Hope & Change and being a good speaker.

Leadership Points: 0

BAZZINGA!

BOOM !@!

Love that one! And stealing it ...

check out www.politifact.com

its not liberal or conservative... just does fact checking...

As a veteran I find your kool-aid fueled propaganda disturbing, so dont throw out your bull * blog numbers when you dont have a clue

Thanks in advance

Regardless of that links politics, you really can't deny there are hugely disproportionate amounts of homeless veterans - just check out the official numbers:
http://www.va.gov/homeless/nationalcenter.asp

Chris... so are you just in denial that this did not happen... Not cool aid propaganda when it is what happened. I commend you for your service but wake up on the issues. Guess where Romney was in Vietnam? Did the Republicans not vote down this bill? Facts are Facts... Denial is not a river in Egypt

Hi Paul I understand it's easy to change the subject or make fun of others but they didn't get elected. Obama did and he has failed to live up to what he promised he would do. They might have been just as bad and you and others would be on here attacking the failures and debt explosion and lack of jobs due to the incompetence of the Republican in office. Being honest means you have to be consistent. The problems are obvious but the silence is hypocritical. We have too much debt, not enough jobs and no plan for either. Obama's solution is to golf or campaign in Hollywood. If you were President and every day 23 million Americans were looking for work and more were losing their jobs at say American Airlines or some local store, wouldn't you begin every day working on that? I know I would. That is the discussion worth having. 4 years of Obama and we are not better off. He is the person in charge. Obama said the debt was unpatriotic and irresponsible to get votes. He then nearly doubled it. Did you like his comment in 08?

Romney is factually wrong on his claim that "47 percent of Americans pay no federal income tax". He is using a 2009 number that is now lower and has been falling as the economy has been improving, with more people working and earning a paycheck.

Nonpartisan Tax Policy Center: July 2011 has the figure at 46.4 percent and has projected that the percentage would drop to 46 percent in 2012, and drop to 44 percent in 2013, under the (current) tax policies.

Nonpartisan Tax Policy Center: - Almost half of those who owe no federal income tax are people whose incomes are so low that when standard income tax provisions are factored in there is no income to be taxed. - (They earn less that $27,000.00).
----- Important to note: Most of these people DO pay payroll taxes, federal excise taxes, state and local income taxes, and/or property taxes.

- Half of Romney's 46.4 percent pay no federal tax due to tax benefits and credits.

A large portion of the 46.4 percent are retirees 65 and older who polled gave Romney a (9) point lead.

Rasmussen - 40% making less than $20,000 - Support Romney. - 50% making between $20 and $40,000 - Support Romney. Pew- similar results.

Tax Foundation Map of 10 states with the highest and lowest percentage of American's with no federal tax liability:

- Highest percentage of non-filers are, by-and-large, states that typically vote Republican.

- Lowest percentage of non-filers tend to be Democratic leaning.

@EARNEST..."He is using a 2009 number that is now lower and has been falling as the economy has been improving, with more people working and earning a paycheck." ARE YOU KIDDING ME? 400,000 peopLE STOPPED looking for jobs, were NOT counted and the unemployment rate remains OVER 8%. ECONOMY HAS BEEN IMPROVING??? In THIS COUNTRY??? Do your math, if the number drops, yet the % stays the same....there are NOT more people earning a paycheck....UNLESS of course YOU count UNEMPLOYMENT CHECKS as PAYCHECKS!

"UNDER CURRENT TAX POLICIES"....of course you know that that is about to CHANGE as well. I recommend you invest some time reading the ACA, and see where those numbers will be going....and I promise they wont be going down! And where do you find that 1/2 ROMNEY's 46.4%, or 23.2% of Americans pay no tax? You guys cant have it both ways....thought the 47% Romney was referring to WERE senior citizens....now youre claiming they are 50% of ROMNEY's 46.4%???

Finally "Rasmussen - 40% making less than $20,000 - Support Romney. - 50% making between $20 and $40,000 - Support Romney. Pew- similar results." IF this is the case, and 100% of the 46.4% support the Rich guy Romney, he would have @ 70% of the total electorate!!! So I have to guess that 100% dont support ROMNEY? Thank you, as I have been saying all along....where do you think Obama is getting his money, from lemonade stands?? no....its coming from billionaires and millionaires....JUST LIKE ROMNEY!!!

John, that's not how percentages work at all. That's like 6th grade math.

Since these figures don't include data on the 10% of the population that are retired and elderly, that leaves 36% of people not paying annual income tax, right? If, of that 36%, 40% of the under-20k people (which is 6.9% of the total) support Romney, that's 2.7% of people that don't pay out annual income taxes. If an additional 50% of people in the 20k-40k range (that's 28% of the 46%), the you've got an other 14% - so a total of 16.7% of the 36% that support Romney, or 46.4%. Probably more like 50% of the 46% once you throw in the elderly vote.

Limeport Resident - John didn't indicate anything about Obama's race in his comments. And sure, there are wealthy individuals who, because of the tax laws created by equally wealthy lawmakers, don't pay in to the "system". Is that right? No. But I suspect there are many more perfectly capable individuals who not only don't pay into the system, they take from the system and they know how to play the system very very well. That's not right either.

Do you know that John has a meager life? What is meager anyway? Everything is relative, is it not? For the record, I don't know John, but you seem to be attributing a lot of stuff to him that simply can't be gleaned from John's comments.

Also, why do you believe Obama saved us economically? Are we so much better off since his being elected President? How exactly have we been saved militarily? What are you talking about?

@LIMEY, I actually dont know where to begin......
Let's start from the beginning. Unlike OBAMA's advertisements, HE didnt save my rear end....ACTUALLY I created my own wealth thru education and work ethic.....OBAMA wants to take my wealth and give it to rocket scientists, such as yourself.
Second, HATRED for Black man??? THAT my friend makes YOU a racist as your ignorance is abundant.
Third - Where did you attain your facts regarding small amount of people game the system. Take a look around, 50 MILLION on food stamps....I am not the one calling them GAMING the system, but thats a lotta people with their hand out.
You are joining the senoirs who pay no federal taxes with 100 of the richest Americans in the country.....
Rationalize my life by finding a scapegoat?? Why dont you take your scapegoat out to the pasture and tell him to stay out of my business....I DONT NEED HIS HELP!
"OBAMA SAVED US ECONOMICALLY AND MILITARILY" My mouth is stuck open!!! Limeport....maybe your aluminum foil tv antenna was twisted last week.....4 Americans were murdered, the ENTIRE Muslim world is rioting AGAINST the US, 2 Marines are killed, $2oo Million in jet damages....$4/gallon of gas, unemployment >14% (when you count everyone)....what planet are you living on? OHHHHH thats it, you like quoting the all knowing BIDEN....that explains EVERYHING!!!!

Was it impossible to get done when the D's held the majority for two of the four years?

They got Obamacare done and that is all they cared about in the 1st 2 years. Pass it at all costs and it cost them the House and much more. It's about being consistent and accountable again. The Democrats controlled the Senate and House in 2007 and 2008 and they could have passed anything they wanted. Then in 2009, Obama was elected on hope and change and they could have done anything else they wanted for 2 years. Remember they passed the failed stimulus but that was about it. It's another excuse to try and focus attention away from 9% unemployment for 45 straight months, 23 million people out of work thats like everyone in Florida being unemployed, Trillion dollar budget deficits and no plan except "Stay the Course". Sorry, we tried. Obama lied. Time for another change.

Take off your tin foil hat and get back on your meds. Seriously dude, seek some professional help before you end up doing something to hurth yourself or others.

Some good points made however you lost me at "Obama is TRYING". That is the point of this election. He is not "TRYING" to fix the economy. His main purpose as he has stated several times is to "fundamentally change society". There are 24 million people out of work who definately has their world fundamentally changed. Romney has stated how but the libs don't hear well.

Lib... Please reference your source on his statements that he wants to fundamentally change society and what his new vision for society is that he wants to change to. I would love to see the documentation, video or whatever proof of reference you have.

Lib, apparently you don't think he's TRYING or, perhaps you're concerned that he's not SUCCEEDING?

I'm an Independant and frankly have not yet made up my mind on who I will vote for. I do think it's pretty much a "No Brainer" that if your candidate, Romney, wins it won't be long until you are complaining that the reason he has so much trouble getting us on the right track is because Obama screwed the economy up so bad. Even a blind man can see THAT coming.

As I said before, let's cut the name calling and ragging on the candidates and come up with some answers. Oh yeah, I forgot, there are none. Ergo, we can only TRY.

Maybe he is trying although it's not evident by the talk show appearances and fundraisers with his 1% Hollywood friends. Let's assume he is trying. He has still failed and that is what we should be evaluating. I read today that jobless claims were up yet again. Is that succeeding? He obviously lied to all of us during the 08 campaign about cutting the debt and it being unpatriotic/irresponsible and then he turns around and doubles it. We have to start holding people accountable. He said he would cut the debt. He failed. he said we would have jobs. 23 million don't. If this were someone on the other side, you all would be attacking. Be consistent. NJ has almost 10% unemployment. Who can say that we are better off. We tried. Obama lied. It's OK to change.

Warren... Research Fillibuster... that will give you your answer on why jobs are not increasing as to what people want... Everything proposed has been shot down... for no other reason than to make this president fail and brainwash the public to think that he has done nothing. It looks like their plan is succeeding on many of you...

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/2010/10/want-proof-that-the-republican-party-is-against-the-people.html#tp

And this is from 2010... So he has been obstructed ever since he got into office.... and its not cool aid... do your own research if you don't believe...

@Louie....Do you really think there has ever been a candidate for President who stepped into the Oval Office and thought to themselves "I'm going to do every think I can to screw this country over?"

YES....he has done that! His highest attorney is looking at doing time...he has not reached across the aisle ...EVER. He has NOT improved any relations with anyone, yet he has alienated us with Great Britain, Israel and most of Europe, not to mention China and Russia. He has millions protesting against us in the streets worldwide. Our economy is in the crapper and NOT getting better, our military is all over the world, and he intends on DECREASING its budget, gas is $4/gallon (Is he paying off HIS buddies in the oil industry, as GW was accused?), and he wants to spend and tax more......so, uh, yeah.....I would say more than 50% of Americans feel at this moment this country is in dire straits! Get back in that rowboat and start rowing my friend....to where I dont know, but I fear that the America we knew will not be the America in the future.

I think its both. I hope im still alive fifty years from now to see how the history books explain how a president as bad as Obama could be re-elected. I mean something other then the fact that Romney is a weak opponent.

In 50 years, the American people will look back shocked at how desperate and hateful the last years of far-right social conservatives in politics were - how hypocritical their religious leaders, how intentionally misleading their news sources, how transparent their bigotry and fear, how they ignorantly they wrapped that hate in a shroud of patriotism. And nobody, anywhere, is going to look at the economic collapse of 2009 and view that as a failing of Obama's administration - they may question his policies on detainment and domestic surveillance and whathaveyou, but there isn't any reputable economist who didn't clearly see this coming back in the early 00s, and there isn't a chart out there that doesn't show the steep decline starting to hit well before Obama took office.

Whatever strengths some conservative platforms might hold, as long as the Republican Party is shackled to the extremes of the Tea Party and Ayd Rand they are going to become increasingly marginalized as a legitimate political group.

Morgan if we keep following Obama in 50 years we may be a third world nation. Unions and tax and spend policies will destroy us. people will move their money out of the country companys will leave except for the ones we bail out, even some of those are expanding overseas now. if Obama wins who will he blame this time for the problems he inherits. 4 years ago he lied and said he could fix everything and now that he did not he blames everything and everyone except himself. Remember he said if he could'nt fix things he would be a one term president. Totally putting aside judging him as a good or bad president i just wish he would be a leader and a man and take some responsibility and say hey the buck stops hear. Last but not least, with Obama as commander and chief if the crap hits the fan in the middle east we may not have to worry about 50 years from now.

Ron, the companies and their wealth have already gone overseas, and shit has been hitting the fan in the Middle East for a century at least. Obama has never - nor would any sane person - said he could 'fix everything.' You might hear:

"I won't pretend the path I'm offering is quick or easy. I never have. You didn't elect me to tell you what you wanted to hear. You elected me to tell you the truth. And the truth is, it will take more than a few years for us to solve challenges that have built up over decades."

as passing the buck, but that sounds like willingness to realistically confront our situation head-on to me. From where I'm sitting, he's been doing a pretty good job with mitigating a pretty bad situation. I'd rather give him another 4 years to work on it than let Romney take us back to the policies that got us in this position in the first place.

Agreed....address the more important issues. I sincerely hope that the debates ahead do so. I dont want to hear about dreams, and I dont want fingerpointing. I dont have to like my President, as I dont have to like my boss....but I do have to respect them on some level. I dont want to hear about statistics and percentages...I dont want excuses....I dont want to do the same thing re-wrapped......I want to hear SOLUTIONS that are well thought out, and will better this country...we shall see

Here it is... Not sure if it was really Obama's budget... Just tricks to fool the gullible.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/16/senate-budget-jeff-sessions_n_1522643.html

Lol yeah ok you kool-aid drinking dolt

@Richard.....Aren't you the same 3rd grader that changed his Patch Name from Richard Hurtz to Richard H.? Yep, that has to be you.

Richard H. - Allow me to add the following to your message -- a little off-topic -- to show that the GOP candidate actually IS one of the 47%, as well as in the top 1% of the 1%. Spin that, Mitt!

http://www.thenation.com/blog/170000/isnt-mitt-romney-member-47-percent?rel=emailNation

Cindy... was that fox news as your source? hard to believe a women with any sense would be republican... Tape might be edited but the point was not taken out of context... he meant what he said. He admitted it.. Doesn't even try to deny it... He just doesn't realize the facts that most of those 47% are 1. Elderly (who normally vote GOP) and 2. Live in the South (who normally vote GOP). Completely bashed his own supporters... Oh yea over 6,000 millionaires didn't pay taxes either so they are included in the 47% as well.

A section of missing or unrecorded audio hardly changes the clear meaning of the audio we do have. Unless additional footage was all 'ha! just kidding, I meant the complete opposite of everything I just said' I can't really see how that's going to be relevant. Did he not arrange manufacturing deals using the labor of young women making pennies behind barbed wire? What he could possibly say that would change the meaning of "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement."

Here's the full transcript, clearly noting where the audio recording stops and resumes:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/full-transcript-mitt-romney-secret-video

Sorry Cindy, but the tape was not "edited". FOX's Political pundits, many who also hold positions with the Romney campaign, made speculative statements and then as always, the portion that is supposed to be News, repeated the speculative as news. Of course Rush and the rest of "conservative" radio have been falsely promoting the speculation as fact.

Wonder why the Republican Convention completely left out the fact that Romney's own father was on welfare? Maybe if they hand't let him go to France and avoid the draft, while others served their country honorably in his place, Mitt would have a different perspective about the American people.

No Cindy, the reason is that you are an ugly old broad who can't keep her yap shut. You should be thankful that you are allowed to vote. Shut-up you yappy broad!

Learn about the serpent:

www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama

Yes, a politician using a US flag motif for merchandise is completely unheard of, and there's a secret conspiracy to use a random photo of blood smears as an icon to subvert the US. That makes total sense.

Wait, if he wasn't talking about them, how did he come up with 47%? Because once you take them out of the equation, it only leaves 7.9%

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/tanehisicoates/Breakdown3-06-17-11.gif

That's an easy way to dismiss actual reporting as a wash, though. It's pretty fallacious to say 'well, who can know, it's all partisan' just to ignore news that contradicts what you want to hear. We should all be reading and understanding the actual laws instead of only hearing the distilled version, I couldn't agree more.